Last week I had the pleasure of chatting for over two hours with Joey Santore for his Crime Pays But Botany Doesn’t podcast series about my two books Plants & Pollinators: Nature and Society and Birds & Flowers: An Intimate 50 Million Year Relationship.

I’m a long-standing fan of his YouTube video channel which Joey describes as “A Low-Brow, Crass Approach to Plant Ecology & Evolution as muttered by a Misanthropic Chicago Italian.”

It was a lot of fun to talk flowers and pollinators with him and although I tried to keep my swearing to a minimum, if you know Joey and his work, you know what you’re in for, so be warned! It’s not for the easily offended.

We had sound issues at a couple of points and note that at 54:20 I made an error, and said “hummingbirds” a couple of times when I meant “sunbirds”. Put it down to a lack of coffee that morning….

Here’s the link: